Comments on: From a Barcelona firm, the future of subway technology http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:24:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nodes: Public Transit and Neighborhood Life « Jason Malikow http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-182411 Nodes: Public Transit and Neighborhood Life « Jason Malikow Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:33:41 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-182411 [...] and I want this tech on the platform: [...] [...] and I want this tech on the platform: [...]

]]> By: AbleAdvisory: Finally, A Tech Mashup With Transportation Policy That Doesn't Suck! | CloudAve http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-80323 AbleAdvisory: Finally, A Tech Mashup With Transportation Policy That Doesn't Suck! | CloudAve Mon, 31 May 2010 11:20:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-80323 [...] figure out where the best place to board a subway is in order to find a seat. He picked it up from 2nd Avenue Sagas a blog devoted to, yes you guessed it, the NYC Subway system (with an homage to the painful [...] [...] figure out where the best place to board a subway is in order to find a seat. He picked it up from 2nd Avenue Sagas a blog devoted to, yes you guessed it, the NYC Subway system (with an homage to the painful [...]

]]> By: New System Tells You Where to Find an Empty Seat on the Subway | Future Changes http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-80154 New System Tells You Where to Find an Empty Seat on the Subway | Future Changes Fri, 28 May 2010 23:45:23 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-80154 [...] design design firm, has developed a subway station information display that helps passengers find a seat on the next train: “With this new information,” the company explains, “people can better choose what carriage [...] [...] design design firm, has developed a subway station information display that helps passengers find a seat on the next train: “With this new information,” the company explains, “people can better choose what carriage [...]

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-80019 Alon Levy Fri, 28 May 2010 01:13:43 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-80019 The interior layout of the bus is identical to the interior layout of other BRT systems. The difference between New York and Berlin isn't how the buss look. It's that in Berlin the inspectors walk around the city and board buses at random, whereas in New York they pull up to the bus in their SUV. The 5-minute or so cost of this blunder is not just an average cost. It means lower reliability for riders. It has the same effect as subway trains sitting in the middle of the tunnel for 5 minutes. The interior layout of the bus is identical to the interior layout of other BRT systems. The difference between New York and Berlin isn’t how the buss look. It’s that in Berlin the inspectors walk around the city and board buses at random, whereas in New York they pull up to the bus in their SUV.

The 5-minute or so cost of this blunder is not just an average cost. It means lower reliability for riders. It has the same effect as subway trains sitting in the middle of the tunnel for 5 minutes.

]]> By: Andrew http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-79792 Andrew Wed, 26 May 2010 05:31:35 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-79792 Fiasco? How much time does it add to the average trip? It costs about 3-4 minutes when it happens, but it doesn't happen on most trips. Figure about a minute on average, then. That's not negligible, but compared to the overall savings that SBS achieved, I'm not going to complain too hard. Given the interior layout of the bus, could inspections be carried out while in motion while still denying fare evaders the opportunity to escape at the next stop? The way it's done now, two inspectors guard the exits. I guess two inspectors could be sent ahead to the next stop to guard the exits when the bus arrives. Fiasco? How much time does it add to the average trip? It costs about 3-4 minutes when it happens, but it doesn’t happen on most trips. Figure about a minute on average, then. That’s not negligible, but compared to the overall savings that SBS achieved, I’m not going to complain too hard.

Given the interior layout of the bus, could inspections be carried out while in motion while still denying fare evaders the opportunity to escape at the next stop? The way it’s done now, two inspectors guard the exits. I guess two inspectors could be sent ahead to the next stop to guard the exits when the bus arrives.

]]> By: Andrew http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-79791 Andrew Wed, 26 May 2010 05:25:59 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-79791 Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm just saying that it's also bound to be a very costly idea, and I question whether the benefits outweigh the costs. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea. I’m just saying that it’s also bound to be a very costly idea, and I question whether the benefits outweigh the costs.

]]> By: Rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-79782 Rhywun Wed, 26 May 2010 03:48:57 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-79782 Yes, authoritarian rulers do have a tendency to trample all over their subjects' languages and customs. I have spent some time in Tarragona, another Catalan city south of Barcelona. The situation of Catalan seemed to be somewhat similar to the situation of Welsh and Gaelic in the UK - many hundreds of years of official suppression followed by recent, reasonably successful attempts at revival. It's probably that while the place names are still all in Catalan, most official notices are bilingual and 90+% of the population either speaks Spanish or is bilingual too. Yes, authoritarian rulers do have a tendency to trample all over their subjects’ languages and customs. I have spent some time in Tarragona, another Catalan city south of Barcelona. The situation of Catalan seemed to be somewhat similar to the situation of Welsh and Gaelic in the UK – many hundreds of years of official suppression followed by recent, reasonably successful attempts at revival. It’s probably that while the place names are still all in Catalan, most official notices are bilingual and 90+% of the population either speaks Spanish or is bilingual too.

]]> By: Rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-79781 Rhywun Wed, 26 May 2010 03:32:37 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-79781 +1 I happened to take a really good look up for the first time in 3 years at my home station the other day (R - Bay Ridge Av) and recoiled in disgust at the appearance of the paint job ready to fall off any second. It's really bizarre to me that they're spending millions on technology when they demonstrably CAN NOT keep the stations clean. +1

I happened to take a really good look up for the first time in 3 years at my home station the other day (R – Bay Ridge Av) and recoiled in disgust at the appearance of the paint job ready to fall off any second. It’s really bizarre to me that they’re spending millions on technology when they demonstrably CAN NOT keep the stations clean.

]]> By: Rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-79780 Rhywun Wed, 26 May 2010 03:26:17 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-79780 That's easy. Avoid the empty car in the otherwise full train. That’s easy. Avoid the empty car in the otherwise full train.

]]> By: Kenny http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/05/25/from-a-barcelona-firm-the-future-of-subway-technology/#comment-79759 Kenny Tue, 25 May 2010 23:35:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=5985#comment-79759 BART doesn't exactly have countdown clocks. Approximately once every five or ten minutes, and every time a train leaves, the display indicates how many minutes until the next trains on that platform, and where they are headed. But I can tell you, having waited on those platforms many times, those multiple minutes in between when the screens display only a useless ad or a blank space really feel interminable. I don't understand why the "countdown" isn't always displayed. (In Los Angeles the time of arrival for the next few trains is constantly displayed, but this is just schedule information and doesn't let you know whether the train is running slightly slow or fast.) BART doesn’t exactly have countdown clocks. Approximately once every five or ten minutes, and every time a train leaves, the display indicates how many minutes until the next trains on that platform, and where they are headed. But I can tell you, having waited on those platforms many times, those multiple minutes in between when the screens display only a useless ad or a blank space really feel interminable. I don’t understand why the “countdown” isn’t always displayed.

(In Los Angeles the time of arrival for the next few trains is constantly displayed, but this is just schedule information and doesn’t let you know whether the train is running slightly slow or fast.)

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