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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/second-ave-subway-history/#comment-438</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, I&#039;m very excited about the SAS, and would love it if old train lines were revived!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m very excited about the SAS, and would love it if old train lines were revived!</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/second-ave-subway-history/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joepho,

Those &quot;fanatical&quot; environmental groups are looking out for you, and they don&#039;t oppose everything.

As for the ACLU, I&#039;m not sure what they have to do with building railroads.  They are busy defending your Constitutional rights, which you may have noticed, are under attack by a president who thinks that he should be Supreme Leader.  You should be thanking the ACLU every damn day for their defense of this fragile democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joepho,</p>
<p>Those &#8220;fanatical&#8221; environmental groups are looking out for you, and they don&#8217;t oppose everything.</p>
<p>As for the ACLU, I&#8217;m not sure what they have to do with building railroads.  They are busy defending your Constitutional rights, which you may have noticed, are under attack by a president who thinks that he should be Supreme Leader.  You should be thanking the ACLU every damn day for their defense of this fragile democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius K. McIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julius K. McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this new proposed subway extension line system under 2nd Avenue in Manhattan have a connection to the BMT 14th Street Canarsie Line &quot;L&quot; Train, the Crosstown IND &quot;GG/G&quot;
line at the Broadway Station in Brooklyn , and the
abandoned line which the station still exist across the
8th Ave &quot;A&quot; Train of the 8th Independent Line at &quot;Utica Ave&quot; in Brooklyn? The station runs across the Utica Ave Station of the 8th Ave Independent Subway Line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this new proposed subway extension line system under 2nd Avenue in Manhattan have a connection to the BMT 14th Street Canarsie Line &#8220;L&#8221; Train, the Crosstown IND &#8220;GG/G&#8221;<br />
line at the Broadway Station in Brooklyn , and the<br />
abandoned line which the station still exist across the<br />
8th Ave &#8220;A&#8221; Train of the 8th Independent Line at &#8220;Utica Ave&#8221; in Brooklyn? The station runs across the Utica Ave Station of the 8th Ave Independent Subway Line.</p>
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		<title>By: Joepho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joepho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grown,

The problem was in the 1950s (when most passenger railroads were ceasing operations), no one thought 50 years ahead that these rail lines might be needed to relieve congestion on the Lex Ave line.  These lines were considered eyesores and dangerous to auto traffic and hence were demolished as the operators were bankrupt.  Westchester county has a similar problem with the old &quot;Put&quot; line which was scrapped in 1980:  it would have been an outstanding commuter railroad, but most of the stations had no parking facilities, and the freight carriers had no more businesses on the line.

Now to try to condemn private property to build a railroad or to attempt such a feat in a short amount of time would be near impossible, thanks to lawsuits and other fanatical environmental/ACLU groups who oppose everything.

If you&#039;re interested, look how Moscow is continually expanding their subway/metro system.  NYC should take the lead from them and expand existing lines, in addition to studying and building new lines where feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grown,</p>
<p>The problem was in the 1950s (when most passenger railroads were ceasing operations), no one thought 50 years ahead that these rail lines might be needed to relieve congestion on the Lex Ave line.  These lines were considered eyesores and dangerous to auto traffic and hence were demolished as the operators were bankrupt.  Westchester county has a similar problem with the old &#8220;Put&#8221; line which was scrapped in 1980:  it would have been an outstanding commuter railroad, but most of the stations had no parking facilities, and the freight carriers had no more businesses on the line.</p>
<p>Now to try to condemn private property to build a railroad or to attempt such a feat in a short amount of time would be near impossible, thanks to lawsuits and other fanatical environmental/ACLU groups who oppose everything.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, look how Moscow is continually expanding their subway/metro system.  NYC should take the lead from them and expand existing lines, in addition to studying and building new lines where feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: grownANDsexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>grownANDsexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ joseph menasce:
You should probably call the MTA about that one. There are also a number of city agencies that can help with that as well (or at least tell you who you should talk to)



@ 2nd Ave. Subway History:
You know what&#039;s really F&#039;ed up about this? is that there were elevated lines on all 3 avenues on the east side. They took down the elevated lines and then just &quot;forgot&quot; to replace any of them.

Do you know how cheap it would have been to do it way back when? Why bother even taking down the lines in the first place? why not leave it up (I can only imagine the property values if they did) as the ONLY working elevated train below 110 street?

Man... I wish I was born rich and powerful back then lol. I would have kept the elevated 2 avenue subway until money was promised for a subway line... and I would have kept the A line in Brooklyn elevated just to connect to Broadway Junction... man all those trains in one place would have been a sight! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ joseph menasce:<br />
You should probably call the MTA about that one. There are also a number of city agencies that can help with that as well (or at least tell you who you should talk to)</p>
<p>@ 2nd Ave. Subway History:<br />
You know what&#8217;s really F&#8217;ed up about this? is that there were elevated lines on all 3 avenues on the east side. They took down the elevated lines and then just &#8220;forgot&#8221; to replace any of them.</p>
<p>Do you know how cheap it would have been to do it way back when? Why bother even taking down the lines in the first place? why not leave it up (I can only imagine the property values if they did) as the ONLY working elevated train below 110 street?</p>
<p>Man&#8230; I wish I was born rich and powerful back then lol. I would have kept the elevated 2 avenue subway until money was promised for a subway line&#8230; and I would have kept the A line in Brooklyn elevated just to connect to Broadway Junction&#8230; man all those trains in one place would have been a sight! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: joseph menasce</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please inform me on the design impact of the 2nd ave near 108St .  This area is below the east river water level.  Will it impact Franklyn ave apartment complex or the utility underground.
I am w/ a consulting engineering firm and we intend to make a boiler plant across the street.  Please fill me in on the design impact on our client.  Will the interruption of the utility service qualifies that complex to some grant.
Tel 212-675-8844 X 231
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please inform me on the design impact of the 2nd ave near 108St .  This area is below the east river water level.  Will it impact Franklyn ave apartment complex or the utility underground.<br />
I am w/ a consulting engineering firm and we intend to make a boiler plant across the street.  Please fill me in on the design impact on our client.  Will the interruption of the utility service qualifies that complex to some grant.<br />
Tel 212-675-8844 X 231<br />
Thanks</p>
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