By now, it’s no secret that the MTA Board had to approve the Doomsday budget yesterday. It’s little comfort to know they did so under duress. The law requires them to pass a balanced budget, and to achieve that untenable goal in 2009, the MTA will have to cut services and raise fares unless our state legislatures act.
Now, we have a buffer of a few months. As the various governing bodies in New York debate the merits of the Ravitch report, this budget won’t start to come due for a few months. In March, the Board will vote on the fare hikes. In June, the service cuts and fare increases will put implemented. That gives the city’s pro-transit forces a little under six months to get the ball rolling.
As Doreen Frasca, an MTA board member, said yesterday, “What I’m going to do, and I know a lot of other people on this board are going to do, is go up to Albany, look our lawmakers in the eye, and say to them, ‘Why can’t you put transit first on the agenda for a change?’” We should all join her.
For now, though, I want to tackle something else. As I read through the comments on the City Room post about the MTA Board meeting, I was struck by how ill-informed New Yorkers are. In an effort to avoid thinking about Civil Procedure in advance of my rapidly-approaching 1:30 p.m. final educate the masses, I thought I’d try to respond to some of the misconceptions people have surrounding the MTA. So after the jump, some questions and my answers.
As a caveat, these answers may sound to be apologetic on behalf of the MTA, but I’m a neutral third-party in favor of full funding for public transit in New York. I’m not affiliated with the MTA and am, at times, supportive and, at times, critical of the agency’s operations.
In the end, my answer is that the MTA isn’t to blame as much as New Yorkers would like to blame them. The people to target are our elected officials who refuse to vote for congestion pricing, who balk at tolling the East River bridge tolls, who won’t fund mass transit. These things aren’t free; someone will have to shoulder the costs. Will it be the riders or will it be everyone? That’s up to us.
Anyway, here we go.
Lee Sander, the MTA’s CEO and executive director, makes $300,000 a year. He gets paid too much. During a budget crisis, he should accept a salary cut.
This line of reasoning seems to be the number one complaint City Room readers had. Apparently, the CEO of a massive, multi-department, five-borough agency gets paid too much. First, the MTA has to pay their executives to draw in the top transit people around, and Sander certainly qualifies as a leading public transit expert. Second, $300,000 just isn’t that much for a CEO in his position. Were the MTA a completely private venture, he would be making millions. Sure, it’s little compensation, but some reality is in order here.
Anyway, let’s propose that Sander take a whopping 50 percent salary cut (and, somehow, doesn’t quit). The MTA would still be facing a deficit of $1.99985 billion instead of $1.2 billion. If a 0.0125 percent reduction in the debt somehow makes people feel better, it’s simply because they’re vindictive and don’t like the MTA.
Why is the MTA pouring billions of dollars down the drain on Second Ave.? They should use the money for the SAS to cover the deficit.
The MTA has two distinct budgets: One covers the operating expenses while the other covers capital construction. The two are completely separate and are funded through different mechanisms. The MTA cannot just transfer money from one to the other. Even if they could, the vast majority of funding for the Second Ave. Subway is federal money earmarked for the project. If they abandoned the project, they lose the money. In other words, it just can’t be moved from one side of that budget divide to the other.
How can people commuting each day afford to pay $5 to and from work?
This one is by far my favorite spurious line of argument. The vast majority — nearly 90 percent — of straphangers right now do not pay the $2 base fare. They pay reduced fares through the pay-per-ride discount or they pay under $2 by using unlimited ride cards. In my MetroCard challenge, I paid $1.11 per ride over the duration of the card; the average fare is somewhere around $1.40.
Anyone who employs this argument is battling straw men because the only people who should pay the full $2.50 under the new scheme are tourists and one-time riders. Anyone who commutes 10 times a week on the subway and isn’t using a pay-per-ride or Unlimited Ride card is simply throwing money away.
A $104 30-Day MetroCard is too expensive.
I agree. A $104 MetroCard is too expensive. I don’t know why the MTA doesn’t propose a London-like solution. In the Tubes, the non-discounted base fare starts at £4.00 while the Oyster Card fares are over 50 percent less. The MTA should really propose a $4 base fare and a modest increase in the cost of Unlimited Ride cards. But because so many people use the discounted fare cards, they need to recoup the money from somewhere.
Either way, under a $2.50 base fare, a $104 30-Day card will pay for itself on the 42nd swipe. I can’t imagine anyone who commutes to work not using the subway 42 times in a 30-day period. It’s still a good deal, albeit an expensive good deal.
Why isn’t the MTA cutting staff and reorganizing their bureaucracy?
To an extent, the MTA is going to try to reorganize, but they are battling a strong union. According to reports, the MTA will weed out redundant positions at MTA HQ, but even the most efficient MTA wouldn’t be able to cut away at a $1.2 billion deficit. In an ideal world, New York politicians would be able to rebuild the MTA to be a lean, mean transit machine, but as it formed as a patchwork of various agencies and has remained as such since 1968, it’s not as efficient as it should be. To accomplish this would require a man with a Robert Moses-like vision and determination for the MTA.
That’s that. We’ll pick this up later as more questions arise.
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Here is my take on this:
Lee Sanders getting paid less than 300,000 a year
You have got to be kidding me. 300,000 a year is no where near large as far as CEO pay. What would some people have him be paid? And at that point, why on Earth would he stay when he probably could get more than 300,000 as it stand now in the private industry?
Operating vs capital budget
I think they should spend a little more time explaining the difference between the 2 budgets and where the money comes from. Even highly educated newspaper reporters are missing this point
The real average pay for commuters riding the subway
I think no one will really talk about how the riding public doesn’t pay 2.00 unless they buy all single fares to go to work. If you get the unlimited, everytime you take the trin or bus you are lowering your base cost per ride.
Nevertheless, I still do not think raising the fair is the answer. Maybe a temp fair increase or something… this is the MTA’s chance to get people to really use the subways. Raising fairs is not going to help getting more people to take the trains and buses.
$104 dollars for a monthly unlimited
Tha’ts pretty high… I wouldn’t want to go higher than 100 dollars. Heck, I wouldn’t want to go over 90.
42 trips? If I use it strictly for going to and from work, in a month I use it 40-44 (times a month. that would mean that, according to your calculations, there would be no savings (or very little). But the real question is who uses their unlimited just to go to and from work?
But why would anybody talk about that?
MTA cutting staff and management
The only problem with this is reducing the bloat in the MTA costs money to do.
Nevertheless, I am sure there will be employee cuts/lay-offs and pay cuts and such. I believe it was mentioned for the token booth clerks and station cleaners.
Not sure if they will lay off service employees (conductors and train operators and directly related management) but they did mention it. I know of it only because the Union is obviously against it and let the rank and file know about it.
I sure hope this doesn’t work out much like the UAW and the car companies… I think if it comes down to it, legally, the Union and all of us in it might find ourselves fired and the MTA just starting over with new employees (of which they are trying to do with all the new hiring… they really want the old school guys out and the new guys who are not as Union savvy or support the Union the way that the old guys do to be their big base of employees).
This is going to be tough with the Union promising not to strike again… and not legally being able to strike in the first place.
Sorry for the long post… I have allot on my mind lol
So ummm… I have to say that they are thinking about getting rid of some employees too.
And someone please tell me why they won’t just the implement congestion pricing plan?
Is it that controversial?
The $104 30-day card is fundamentally fair and reasonable. I’m surprised the MTA didn’t hike the 30-day unlimited years ago when they hiked the Fun Pass — it’s the same issue about how much usage you can expect.
The least use you can expect from a user of a 30-day card is four five-day weeks of two journeys per day at absolute peak times. With a PPR card, if my math is right, that’s $87. The $17 difference between the $87 and the $104 is all those extra off-peak trips: clearly they have *some* value. $17 assumes that you will make at least four round-trips on the 10 non-work-days and 20 evenings that your 30-day card includes. It’s still a bargain.
And if you really have so little of a life that you don’t go out for something other than work at least once a week, then:
1) you obviously should be using PPR
2) New York is wasted on you.
Don’t the interest payments/debt service on capital expense projects debt come out of the operating budget?
did anyone see that guy take his shoe off and threaten sander? that was funny stuff
Either way, under a $2.50 base fare, a $104 30-Day card will pay for itself on the 42nd swipe. I can’t imagine anyone who commutes to work not using the subway 42 times in a 30-day period. It’s still a good deal, albeit an expensive good deal.
This assumes that the rider would have bought 42 individual fares at $2.50. If you compare the unlimited ride card to a pay-per-ride card with the 15% bonus, I think it takes 48 swipes before the unlimited ride card becomes a bargain. It’s a subtle point, but if your only use of the subway is weekday commuting, the unlimited ride card is actually a better deal.
You’re right, Marc. If you only use a $104 unlimited monthly pass to travel to and from work (22 days per 30-day cycle), you’re better off buying the rides individually, which would cost $93.50 assuming a $2.50 base fare and the 15% discount structure.
But to be fair, that’s also the case now, when 22 days of commuting on a pay-per-ride is $74.80 vs. the current $81 monthly Metrocard.
Pretty sure the break even point gets one ride worse. Currently 47 discounted pay per rides costs $82.00, one dollar more than the cost of an unlimited. Under the new plan, 47 discounted pay per rides costs $103.00, one dollar less than the cost of an unlimited. Which means they should really be pricing the unlimited at $102.00 to preserve the relative strengths of the two, and to be honest they should really make it $99.00 just because of the psychological barriers to three digit purchase prices.
The problem you do not address is the MTA’s inabilty or unwillingness to wring real concessions on healthcare, benefits and staffing requirements out of the TWU.
The TWU is ONE union for NYCT hourly employees ONLY, the supervisors have there own union. It is NOT the union for LIRR, MetroNorth, LI Bus, or Bridges & Tunnels all MTA branches!
The LIRR and MetroNorth for the same jobs are paid much more per hour with much better benefits and pension packages. In the case of the operators the difference is about $7 per hour.
The TWU members in NYCT already pay 1.5% of there GROSS pay per check towards health care the ONLY maor union in NYC to pay anything!
I frequently hear people complaining about how much unionized workers make in comparison to other workers. If you’re pissed that MTA employees make more than you, the solution isn’t to blame the MTA workers or other unionized workers, the real solution is that you obviously need a union in your work place to demand higher wages, better benefits and a higher standard of living.
Setting aside the issue of the dysfunction of our politicians in Albany and their inability/ unwillingness to fund transit, if we all had higher wages, a rational health care system (why aren’t there one set of standard forms for all the insurance companies?), then the higher base fare wouldn’t be as much of a problem and people would have actually been able to afford things they bought instead of using debt. Then we might not be in as bad a fiscal crisis as we are.
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Benjamin –
It’s admirable that you took time to write this before your exam for all our benefits but I think we’d all forgive you if you took a week or two to focus on your grades.
Regards,
Eric
The new unlimited 30-day would pay for itself after a whopping 49 rides, in light of the 15% discount for multi-ride cards, and the current price structure is only one ride better. Thus, I’m frankly not sure why anyone buys the unlimited card at all. The average month has 21 working days, so that’s 42 rides. So, to merely break even on the unlimited card would require seven weekend rides every month. And we all know that the subway on the weekends is completely busted. With the service cutbacks, it will only get worse. Even if you went out every Saturday night, and took the subway both *to and from* your destination—which for some would mean having the discipline to wait on a desolate subway platform at 3:30 a.m. for a train that runs, if you’re lucky, every 45 minutes, rather than springing for a $10 cab—you would just barely *break even.*
What the MTA doesn’t seem to understand is that if they make the subway any more expensive, or any worse than it already is, many people will simply stop riding it. I remember when I was in school on the UWS, for a short time the subway fare increased while the cab fare remained the same. My friends and I took cabs everywhere. It felt luxurious, but the truth was that with four to a cab it was often cheaper than the subway, and certainly faster and more pleasant. Those halcyon days ended when the cab fares went up, but my point is this: The MTA needs to realize that their doomsday scenario will drastically alter people’s cost/benefit analysis when deciding whether to pay for the MTA’s services at all. Many middle-class and upper-middle-class folks have already stopped taking the subway entirely on weekends because it’s such a disaster, many work late in the evenings and take cars home, and some even use cab “car-pools” on their way *to* work in order to avoid annoying transfers. The MTA is the only entity I know that thinks making a *worse* product and charging people *more* for it will be a successful business model for boosting revenues. The end result will be that more rich people will opt out entirely, and poor people will just get poorer and angrier.
You might try reading the post again. The “doomsday” plan isn’t something the MTA came up with just for kicks. It represents what the MTA will be forced to do to continue operating if it doesn’t secure funding from another source.
(I also suspect that the percentage of transit users who are bar-hopping Manhattanites is smaller than you think it is. You’d be surprised how many normal-looking people are on the subway at 1 a.m.)
Thus, I’m frankly not sure why anyone buys the unlimited card at all. The average month has 21 working days, so that’s 42 rides.
Yes, but the average person using a monthly unlimited rides the subway 56 times a month.
Many middle-class and upper-middle-class folks have already stopped taking the subway entirely on weekends because it’s such a disaster, many work late in the evenings and take cars home, and some even use cab “car-pools” on their way *to* work in order to avoid annoying transfers.
I mean, do you have any proof to back this up?
While you do all the union back and forth I think for the record it should be noted that the only no vote on the board came from the voting labor representative Norman Seabrook. He doesn’t represent transit workers. He represents Correction Officers. They just got a 4% a year contract from Mayor Bloomberg. If the TWU or the UAW got that much the anti-labor jihadists out there would cry bloody murder. So the no vote against a budget the “makes no sense” should really be taken with a grain of salt. If NYC wanted to save some money it could turn some of those mariajuana smokers loose that his people are soaking up the tax dollars protecting. Then Bloomberg could invest that money in the people who move the city.
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I’m frankly not sure why anyone buys the unlimited card at all. The average month has 21 working days, so that’s 42 rides. So, to merely break even on the unlimited card would require seven weekend rides every month.
Yes, that’s basically right: if all you do is take the subway twice every weekday, with only light weekend use, the pay-per-ride card with the 15% discount is a better deal. There are many people who use transit a lot more than that, for whom the unlimited ride card is a bargain.
I can’t believe that Sander is getting actual death threats! I mean, come on people! Death threats? The budget woes the MTA has had (and double book scandals, not to mention mismanagement of his predecessor who had NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION EXPERIENCE) existed long before him, and he has been doing on the whole, a remarkable job. The problem is, the entity is run in secret – although he is trying to change that and has been more approachable in terms of accepting public comments, emails, etc, than most public officials – and its structure is never explained to the public. He was on Brian Lehrer again today (thursday on WNYC), and spoke about the challenges he faces. At least he tries to be accessible to a concerned population.
On the other hand, I don’t agree that $300K is small, although it is compared to CEO pay, but CEO pay is WAY out of proportion to reality and must be lowered drastically in future years. The difference between highest and lowest paid in this country dwarfs that in other industrial countries, and reflects the greatest scale at any time in the past 50 years. I know he works hard and could make more someone else, but I don’t think he needs too much of our sympathy in terms of pay.
The operating budget to capital budget issue is absolutely confusing. I distinctly remember the MTA receiving a 300% surplus after full implementation of the Metrocard system. They were then so elated that that they green-lighted 25 billion worth of Capital projects. If the two are distinct and separate and “the vast majority of funding” for the capital programs come from the feds, why did the surplus dictate the capital plans. If all the money collected is only for operations then is it being proposed that their is no profit being made at all by the MTA?
How many of those employees at the MTA with the 125k+ earnings were management? Why is it that the CEO is supposed to be afforded concern for his lifestyle with a compensurate salary yet the worker who puts in the time and effort, most times on a dusty unhealthy track site vilified for working for a living. When it come to people who labor hard for their money all of a sudden this is not America anymore and socialism is the order of the day. NY is expensive and 100k is saying nothing to trying survive with a family in this zoo.
Bureaucracy is the MTA’s number one problem. The state government and our local officials for some reason cannot override the system and bring accountability and that is a heinous position to take. If that is the attitude then why have police? If you can’t have accountibilty they are saying that corruption will be allowed because they can’t bring reform to the system. The public is numb to any “poor us” rants from the MTA. Ever lie has been given to the public over the years to the tune of the public providing 67% of the MTA’s revenue and now it’s being said THIS TIME THE DEBT’S FOR REAL. I wonder many times why we are even up in arms about paying for transit. We should just boycott to our best degree, use bikes,walk and let it rot.
Rule #1 The MTA will never be allowed to go out of service. It is a part of NYC’s infastructure.
2. If it were to go under it would be bailed out just like the banking industry.
3. It has no credibility because it is the only agency with such an amazing unaccountability track record and access to the funds of the public.
*Also, instead of joking about the CEO salary issue, why don’t you see how much money would come back into the system if the MTA accounted for all of the contractor funds that have been misappropriated and uncollected over the years. That is in the millions.