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On the Hoyt-Schermerhorn-Jackson proposal

by Benjamin Kabak

Martin Scorsese directed the video for Michael Jackson’s “Bad” in the Hoyt-Schermerhorn subway stop.

If City Council Member Letitia James gets her way, the IND station at Hoyt-Schermerhorn would soon add Michael Jackson to its moniker. As a way to honor the late King of Pop, James wants the MTA to commemorate the station in which Martin Scorscese and Jackson directed his 1987 video for the song Bad.

The New York Post first reported this story and the MTA’s subsequent rejection of James’ proposal this morning. But even a “no” from the transit authority hasn’t stopped James from seeking the spotlight. In an interview with NBC New York, she further expounded on her idea.

“After his death, I had heard about this, and I had approached them, and they told me basically to beat it,” she told NBC New York (Get it? Beat it? Clever!). “A lot of people were totally unaware,” she said, of the fact that Hoyt-Schermerhorn served as the staging ground for this video.

To avoid sounding as though she wanted to capitalize too much on Jackson’s untimely death, James focused on the tourism angle. “There’s a lot of trivia in the subway,” she said. “I think one of the ways to attract more people into the subway is to have more trivia, that so-and-so lived here, or that this movie was filmed here. I think the tourists would like it and I think that New Yorkers would like it, and I know Brooklynites would love it.”

You know what else would attract more people into the subways? Proper investment in maintenance and service so that the MTA can run newer trains more frequently through well-maintained tracks and tunnels. But I digress.

For their part, the MTA stressed its own naming scheme as one that would not support sticking Jackson’s name on the station. According to the Post’s sources, naming stations after people “could confuse riders.” The purpose of subway names, after all, is to provide geographic identifiers. Even the Barclays Center naming rights deal accomplishes that end as the Barclays Center will be located above the station at Atlantic Ave./Pacific St.

James says she’ll try to present the MTA with a petition in support of at least a plaque noting that Jackson filmed the video at this unique six-track station. To that end, what does the MTA have to lose? In fact, a series of plaques throughout the subway system commemorating movies, music videos or other unique bits of subway trivia and minutiae could add some entertainment to an otherwise mundane underground life. Station names shouldn’t adopt individuals because then we would wind up with the Mayor Bloomberg 77th St. stop on the East Side, but history and character should be embraced.

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21 comments

Ellie August 24, 2009 - 5:15 pm

I like the idea of plaques in the subway stations with trivia. Renaming stations could be expensive and confusing for many.

The Triborough Bridge was renamed, but I rarely hear anyone use its new name.

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Jerrold August 24, 2009 - 6:13 pm

Not to mention the Ave. of the Americas.

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Andrew August 24, 2009 - 7:25 pm

I have no problem with plaques, but lots of movies have been filmed at Hoyt-Schermerhorn – it has two unused tracks and platforms. How many plaques do you want?

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SEAN August 24, 2009 - 5:27 pm

Time for a sing along.

YOU KNOW THAT’S BAD,! THAT’S BAD,! THAT’S REALLY REALLY BAD! YOU KNOW THAT’S BAD!, THAT’S BAD!, THAT’S REALLY REALLY BAD! YOU KNOW THAT’S BAD! THAT’S BAD! THAT’S REALLY REALLY BAD! NOW LET ME ASK YOU ALL RIGHT NOW , TELL ME ONCE AGAIN WHO’S BAD!

Sorry I couldn’t resist.

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Christopher August 24, 2009 - 5:32 pm

Once again, Letitia James has shown that like most of her colleagues on the City Council she should not be taken seriously. As long as her constituents keep electing publicity-mongering fools like her, they deserve the lousy representation they get.

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Jerrold August 24, 2009 - 6:07 pm

Call it Hoyt-Schermerhorn-Jackson?
What about people who might think that they are near Jackson Ave. or Jackson Heights in Queens?
Coming to think of it, there IS a Vernon-Jackson Aves. on the #7 line.

It’s bad enough that some people get mixed up because of the similarity between Roosevelt Ave. and Roosevelt Island.
{BOTH of those stations are one stop away from 21st St.-Queensbridge on the F line, depending on which direction you’re going.)

Just because WE are native New Yorkers, there are still lots of people on the trains who came here from other states and other countries. We need LESS confusion in station names, not MORE.

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David August 24, 2009 - 6:43 pm

Hey Ben,
Longtime reader, first time poster. I’ve seen previous posts on misspelled signage by the MTA, has anyone else pointed out this (spotted just this week): http://img39.imageshack.us/img.....119721.jpg

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Jerrold August 24, 2009 - 8:58 pm

It’s kind of IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE!
It is possible that the photo is the product of somebody’s digital trickery?

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Cap'n Transit August 24, 2009 - 7:08 pm

Isn’t that where one of the dance numbers from the Wiz took place too?

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Anon December 8, 2010 - 10:48 pm

Not really a dance number, but the scene in which Dorothy and the gang are chased by various anthropomorphic subway fixtures.

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rhywun August 24, 2009 - 7:54 pm

I’ve made my displeasure with this “Barclays Center” business known (are we going to rename it every 20 years when a new corporation buys the naming rights?). I’m not particularly fond of the city’s recent fetish for naming everything after sports figures either, and I think I would feel the same about pop stars too. Leave our names alone!

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Matt August 24, 2009 - 8:53 pm

The empty platform at Hoyt-Schermerhorn has been used to film lots of things that need to take place in an authentic looking NYC subway station. Plaques are fine, name changes are not.

Look at Washington, DC’s metro system, where the WMATA has on several occasions agreed to change the name of a station in response to political pressure or, shall we say, financial inducements. That has given them such concise names as “U Street-Cardozo/African-American Civil War Memorial Station” and descriptive ones such as “Tenleytown-American University” (located a good 45 mins walk to the AU campus, but renamed because they ponied up).

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Jerrold August 24, 2009 - 9:00 pm

I meant to say, of course:

Is it possible………………

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anonymous August 24, 2009 - 9:33 pm

She can always try to get either Hoyt or Schermerhorn renamed to “Michael Jackson Boulevard” :-P. Or maybe “Michael St.” and “Jackson St.”, and hence “Michael-Jackson Station”.

Or maybe we can just leave it the way it is and let MJ’s legacy speak for itself.

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Matthew August 24, 2009 - 11:03 pm

Not to disparage MJ, but I think this is a horrible idea. I think the MTA has got it right that we are using the subway to go places. Naming stations after people defeats that purpose.

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Building 11 August 25, 2009 - 9:19 am

Paul Newman did scened from “Somebody Up There Likes Me” at the Chambers Street station on the J train. In view of his humanitarian activities, why not name that station after him?

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Eric August 25, 2009 - 12:55 pm

Maybe the R line can be renamed the “Saturday Night Fever” line in Brooklyn once it hits Sunset Park, Bay Ridge and Fort Hamilton? John Travolta did swing on those poles after his friend fell off the Verrazano Bridge.

Come to think of it, they could also rename the Verrazano Bridge to “Some Guy Pretended To Fall Off This Thing For A Movie Back In The 70s Bridge” or, “SGPTFOTTFAMBIT70s Bridge” for short.

While we’re at it, let’s rename the station in Times Square “Ghost”…and Central Park can now be called “Night at the Museum!”

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Benjamin Kabak August 25, 2009 - 1:06 pm

Apparently, 55 Central Park west is already known as the Ghostbusters Building. So that one’s covered.

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W. K. Lis August 25, 2009 - 9:23 pm

I like Weird Al Yankovic’s version of Fat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk

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Anon August 25, 2009 - 9:58 pm

uhm they film everything at this station. it’s not a random occurrence. many directors/actors/actresses make there mark here. why only Jacko?

If anything they should have an area with everyone’s hand prints in the cement when they film there. that would be cool.

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